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I went to a party last night. It was a nice party.... very interesting people, interesting conversations. I liked all the people I met. Overall, I had a good time. However, a topic came up in conversation that gave me pause.
There was some discussion of a site that sells Baby Jesus, Virgin Mary, and Buddha sex toys. People seemed to think that this was the height of hilarity. I don't. Not that I felt it was sacrilegious.... I doubt anyone in that room was a practicing Christian other than me, and I think to really be sacrilegious you have to believe in that which you are mocking.
But it strikes me that mocking people's core spiritual beliefs does not indicate that you are more intelligent, more enlightened, or more sophisticated than those you are mocking -- it is simply cruel, or at best disrespectful. And maybe it's having passed the midway point of my life (I think I was also the *oldest* person in the room) but gratuitous cruelty or rudeness really sets my teeth on edge. And, at its core, it is supremely (and in this case ironically) intolerant.
It is as intolerant for pagans to mock the beliefs of Christians as it is for fundamentalist Christians to tell pagans they are going to hell. (Note: I am talking about belief here, not actions: the fundamentalist agenda for forcing the rest of the world to live by their beliefs is ripe for mockery. But the Christian belief that Jesus Christ is the savior of the world should most definitely not be.)
To tell the truth, this also lies at the source of my discomfort with the Darwin fish. Yes, I believe in evolution. Yes, I think the footed fish are cute. And I certainly understand the urge to respond to the (often Fundamentalist) Christians who use the fish for purposes of being exclusive and holier-than-thou. (I often want to ask them, have you actually read the Gospels? All the way through?) But I also know the origin of the ancient symbol, and why early Christians used the fish to communicate their existence with each other. (It was an acronym: the Greek for fish stood for "Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior". It was a way to say "I am here" to other Christians without getting arrested.) It has history and meaning beyond "hey, you're going to hell and I'm not." (BTW, even though I understand and revere the symbol, I would never slap one on my car -- the fundamentalists have made it hard to be a liberal and be out as a Christian.) I would have as much discomfort with a Star-of-David with a smiley face in it.
And I know someone out there is muttering something about "subverting the dominant paradigm." As far as I am concerned, if the dominant paradigm in this country were truly Christian, rather than secular, capitalist, and power-driven, there would be no homelessness. There would be no children (or adults) living in poverty. We would not have children -- or anyone else -- sitting on death row. We would not have abortions, but that would be because children, whatever their parentage, would be cherished and carrying a child, even if for someone else, would be truly honored and supported. The traditional nuclear family would be just one acceptable relationship structure among many. It would be clearly understood that each of us is a child of God, and that sexual and gender orientation is only one aspect of who we are, and does not change our worth as human beings.
I am most certainly not immune from occasional intolerance and mocking myself -- I have told the occasional Unitarian joke (sorry,![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
rivka) and, quite frankly, Scientology gives me the creeps. But I usually feel ashamed at myself afterward. I am asking that people try to be respectful of other's spiritual journeys -- and not simply for myself, but for everyone who follows Christ, or Mohammad, or Odin, or no one and nothing at all.
I guess what I am asking for is tolerance from those who ask it from me. I respect that all of us have our paths to walk -- I can never presume to tell in what manner the Divine talks to someone else. All I can know is my own story, and my own path. I am not God. But similarly, as I let you walk your path with respect, I ask that you do likewise for me.
I worry that in writing this I risk alienating those of my friends who are pagan or Jewish or atheist or otherwise non-Christian (or even the very few friends who are fundamentalists). (I also worry about being seen as being terminally uncool or having no sense of humor -- but what the hell, I *am* terminally uncool. As far as my sense of humor goes....) I value all my friends and see in them sparks of the Divine. But this is a part of who I am, and for a friendship to have meaning, it has to be founded on authenticity.
There was some discussion of a site that sells Baby Jesus, Virgin Mary, and Buddha sex toys. People seemed to think that this was the height of hilarity. I don't. Not that I felt it was sacrilegious.... I doubt anyone in that room was a practicing Christian other than me, and I think to really be sacrilegious you have to believe in that which you are mocking.
But it strikes me that mocking people's core spiritual beliefs does not indicate that you are more intelligent, more enlightened, or more sophisticated than those you are mocking -- it is simply cruel, or at best disrespectful. And maybe it's having passed the midway point of my life (I think I was also the *oldest* person in the room) but gratuitous cruelty or rudeness really sets my teeth on edge. And, at its core, it is supremely (and in this case ironically) intolerant.
It is as intolerant for pagans to mock the beliefs of Christians as it is for fundamentalist Christians to tell pagans they are going to hell. (Note: I am talking about belief here, not actions: the fundamentalist agenda for forcing the rest of the world to live by their beliefs is ripe for mockery. But the Christian belief that Jesus Christ is the savior of the world should most definitely not be.)
To tell the truth, this also lies at the source of my discomfort with the Darwin fish. Yes, I believe in evolution. Yes, I think the footed fish are cute. And I certainly understand the urge to respond to the (often Fundamentalist) Christians who use the fish for purposes of being exclusive and holier-than-thou. (I often want to ask them, have you actually read the Gospels? All the way through?) But I also know the origin of the ancient symbol, and why early Christians used the fish to communicate their existence with each other. (It was an acronym: the Greek for fish stood for "Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior". It was a way to say "I am here" to other Christians without getting arrested.) It has history and meaning beyond "hey, you're going to hell and I'm not." (BTW, even though I understand and revere the symbol, I would never slap one on my car -- the fundamentalists have made it hard to be a liberal and be out as a Christian.) I would have as much discomfort with a Star-of-David with a smiley face in it.
And I know someone out there is muttering something about "subverting the dominant paradigm." As far as I am concerned, if the dominant paradigm in this country were truly Christian, rather than secular, capitalist, and power-driven, there would be no homelessness. There would be no children (or adults) living in poverty. We would not have children -- or anyone else -- sitting on death row. We would not have abortions, but that would be because children, whatever their parentage, would be cherished and carrying a child, even if for someone else, would be truly honored and supported. The traditional nuclear family would be just one acceptable relationship structure among many. It would be clearly understood that each of us is a child of God, and that sexual and gender orientation is only one aspect of who we are, and does not change our worth as human beings.
I am most certainly not immune from occasional intolerance and mocking myself -- I have told the occasional Unitarian joke (sorry,
rivka) and, quite frankly, Scientology gives me the creeps. But I usually feel ashamed at myself afterward. I am asking that people try to be respectful of other's spiritual journeys -- and not simply for myself, but for everyone who follows Christ, or Mohammad, or Odin, or no one and nothing at all.I guess what I am asking for is tolerance from those who ask it from me. I respect that all of us have our paths to walk -- I can never presume to tell in what manner the Divine talks to someone else. All I can know is my own story, and my own path. I am not God. But similarly, as I let you walk your path with respect, I ask that you do likewise for me.
I worry that in writing this I risk alienating those of my friends who are pagan or Jewish or atheist or otherwise non-Christian (or even the very few friends who are fundamentalists). (I also worry about being seen as being terminally uncool or having no sense of humor -- but what the hell, I *am* terminally uncool. As far as my sense of humor goes....) I value all my friends and see in them sparks of the Divine. But this is a part of who I am, and for a friendship to have meaning, it has to be founded on authenticity.
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That jumped out at me.
My only response is, it seems to me that you either believe Jesus didn't have a sense of humor, or that he's so very serious that he couldn't take having a little fun poked at him (I do not see the Darwin fish as mockery. I would see a reversed cross as mockery, or an inverted pentacle as mockery, but the Darwin fish definitely falls into the "poking fun" category for me). I also truly believe that the gods, whatever names we believe in them by, are, at Their cores, Divine Comedians. As Ray Bradbury said in one of his stories, God created the ostrich, the platypus, and mankind. That's proof enough for me that He (or She, or They) has a sense of humor a universe wide.
You didn't offend me with your post... but you did bewilder me. I hope I have not offended in my response.
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But I'm not Jesus... he was a much better person than I am. I think he would have understood my discomfort as coming from sadness that a symbol which once stood for the downtrodden has become so identified with social and political oppression that it has become almost necessary to make fun of it, and a desire to remember and honor those for whom their faith meant risking everything rather than simply showing up at church on Sunday morning.
And no, you most certainly did not offend me. I love hearing other people's viewpoints. And I love the Bradbury reference.